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Re: My Dad's ThoughtsJeffrey Stedfast is strengthening FUD about KDE developers on some planets. Strange that in the first paragraph he only cites a point for proof, Novell dropping KDE on certain products, which actually was true last week. Users choosing their desktop based on troll postings are, sorry, just foolish. Jeffrey starts an unmotivated attempt to draw a dividing rule between those unidentified trolls and KDE developers. He makes the separation rather ambiguous despite his experience when coincidentally talking to a KDE developer (even in real life). Over the weekend I have read many comments under KDE and Novell stories, the revoked gnomedesktop.org story, the later hijacked one on it, Slashdot, the for anti-KDE trolls infamous OSnews and so on. I have seen many hurting comments (like KDE developers not being part of the Free Software community, and also about their future sexual life) posted by their readers. I really fail to see how Jeffrey can claim a high moral position for GNOME desktop or its community in such things.
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what?
You're saying that computer geeks can have a sex life?????
I thought it was an urban legend. Anyway, I personally find the Novell decision a bad one but shit happens in life.
Trolls? where?
You feel offended because KDE developers are labeled as trolls? why don't you blame ApachaBloger for it? he was the one insulting, talking trash and inmature 12 years old troll, don't play victim now because is not true, there are more KDE trolls in osnews than GNOME trolls, simple.
You guys deserve the reputation you have.
Nice analysis there
Since all Beineri has to do to have a troll reputation is be a KDE developer, I'd like to extend Rams's analogy a little further.
If _any_ of the following apply to you, you are a troll:
-> You use computer software
-> You have discretionary access to the Internet
-> You have eyes, and/or a text to speech converter
-> You live on Planet Earth
Why? Because all known trolls fit one or more of these criteria, often all of them!
(Nice one there mate)
Out of interest...
...who is ApachaBloger?
ApacheBlogger is a KDE
ApacheBlogger is a KDE developer who was trolling about Novell's desition, he insulted GNOME developers, GNOME users, and their work.
I would personally advise
I would personally advise against reading too much into a nonsense rant from someone who is minorly involved in KDE. I completely agree, it was nothing but trolling.
Who is ... the dude that incited the riots.
the "evil" dude's hastely pulled back rant post that started the riots on the North of Paris... No, wait, wrong issue... what was it that we were rioting against?
On January 5th, 1976, on this very spot nothing important happened.
suslikcentral.blogspot.com
EDIT: Just red the actual post, and couldn't stop giggling. "Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?" stuff is Gold I tell ya! I am sure I am not the only one who no longer can take this seriously.
The guy who wrote Bye GNOME
The guy who wrote Bye GNOME and Novell and all the other ****.
"why don't you blame
"why don't you blame ApachaBloger for it"
Maybe we do?
Those are his opinions. I find them extremely distasteful and disagree with them. You should also consider that he is minorly involved in KDE, and even if he was somewhat of a core developer I would have thought that it should be fairly obvious that any opinions expressed by him are his views only and absolutely not representative of the KDE community in general.
I think it's true
Every single one of us save Matthias is a "whiney immature idiot running around trolling on Slashdot." I'm willing to take that at face value, because it's self evident given the evidence at hand, even if Jeffrey has declined to provide it in his blog entry. My concern is, what is it that is different between KDE and GNOME development that makes it so? Why are GNOME developers so much more mature and untrolly?
Let's see if we can narrow it down based on technical differences between the projects:
-> C vs C++
-> Qt vs GTK+
-> QObject vs glib
-> GPL vs LGPL
-> CVS vs SVN
-> Europe-centric vs US/Anglo-centric
-> Lots of blue and light grey vs earth tones and slightly darker grey
-> StudlyCaps vs underscored_identifiers
-> (I must admit I'm struggling a little, feel free to add more)
I'm really interested in knowing which combination of these turns us into whiny, immature trolls. Could it be only one? Which one? Let's hunt it down and change it so that we can then stop. In particular, what does Matthias E. do differently that makes him mature and not post on Slashdot?
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