Gwenview II, the return

I forgot to blog about this: I'm not giving up maintainership of Gwenview anymore, in fact it has been decided that Gwenview will move to kdegraphics for KDE4! This is what I call great news!

The nice people from kde-usability and I have been working on the design of this new Gwenview. It's going to be a bit different from what you have been used to, but I believe it's more focused on the way most people use Gwenview: either to quickly view an image, or to browse all images in a folder.

To wet your appetite, here are two mock-ups of what Gwenview 2.0 will probably look like:

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Those screenshots look just... awesome!!

I really love to see that as default KDE image viewer. I liked GWenview for a simple reason: it started up soo fast. I'm happy to hear KDE4 has GWenview. :)

Thanks a lot!

By vdboor at Sat, 01/27/2007 - 20:44

Gwenview for default!

By martin at Sat, 01/27/2007 - 21:50

Gwenview should be in kdegraphics. Its well deserved.

By eean@drupal.org at Sat, 01/27/2007 - 23:29

Looks promising- I would like to see how it behaves (in the first screenshot) when there are more images, so when a scrollbar or something similar turns up. Will it scroll left to right (like in Windows XP) or will it scroll up to down (like Gwenview 1.x)?

Can you post another screenshot?

By liquidat at Sat, 01/27/2007 - 23:53

Is that your little girl? :)

I'm wondering why you would want to give the mode-buttons such a prominent place. I'm pretty sure the average usecase does not change viewmode very often (if at all). So having them in the view menu is just fine. Which makes me immediately notice your mockups don't have a menu, I trust that's a mistake and not a design decision.

By Thomas Zander at Sun, 01/28/2007 - 15:14

Easy shifting between the view modes is what Gwenview is all about, IMHO. This is precisely what makes it the only image viewing application I need. First, I might want an overview. Then I want to see just one picture with minimal clutter. A little later I want an overview again.

Granted, this is just the personal opinion of an actual user and not a fancy "average usecase". But it makes me wonder just what the sample size is for that average. Sorry for the rant, but if you want to argue using scientific-sounding terms, at least do the empirical work first.

By martin at Sun, 01/28/2007 - 16:04

Thats a saying that a lot of professional Usability people have said over the years. And its true; developers use an application different from most users. Just because you are also a user doesn't mean everyone will want to use it like you do.

There is little empirical about either your post or mine. But my suggestion has the advantage that its based on observing multiple non-technical users. 3 of them in the last month. (yes, that excludes me and a friend who I place in the highly-technical category). They all had one major goal; to watch the pictures one by one, or as a slideshow.
The secondairy goal of browsing the files is fulfilled just fine for them by apps like konqueror or digicam.

Now, its not a problem at all that gwenview has the different viewmodes. Its wonderful in fact. But its not the major goal of most people that will use this application. So need to place it as the first buttons on the toolbar. I'd say there is no need to place it on the toolbar at all.
After all; the technical people will find such functions just fine if you place them in the view-menu. I'd even add the F2,F3,F4 keyboar shortcuts to them to make even more people happy. All people happy without showing the feature that many won't use in the toolbar. Remember; a toolbars sole purpose is to provide for often-used actions.

By Thomas Zander at Mon, 01/29/2007 - 08:36

Remember; a toolbars sole purpose is to provide for often-used actions.
^^ Good point. Seems to me like the application should automate this by using a LRU scheme to decide which actions to display. There's a default setup in the beginning which is quickly modified as the app adjusts itself to the user's workflow. I guess you should be able to pin actions down to the toolbar as well just in case...

Sensible no?

By bensch at Mon, 01/29/2007 - 17:14

Yes, this is Clara wearing her christmas suit. Including pictures of her, is my very own Jedi trick to make people pleased with my mock-ups :-)

About view mode buttons, it is a conscious decision. I think Martin explains clearly why it is done this way.

By aurélien gâteau at Sun, 01/28/2007 - 22:12

Actually, I thought of one more important reason to keep the view mode buttons in a prominent place.

Applications that can operate in more than one mode run the risk of being confusing: "Last time I used this image viewer, I believe there were little thumbnails under the picture. Where are they now?" Thanks to the big mode buttons in Gwenview, the risk of confusion is very much reduced. They serve the triple purpose of making obvious:

  • the current state of the application
  • the available states
  • how to change to another state

The illustrative icons on the buttons are very useful for all three purposes.

By martin at Mon, 01/29/2007 - 15:29