DEC
13
2005

Yes, GNOME sucks, but please use it if it suits you

Seems Linus has started a new little flamewar :D

Among KDE developers we have always stated that anti-GNOME flamewars are only among users, and while it is technically true. It doesn't prevent users who also developers in other projects to join them. I will just comment here and hopefully not contribute to the fire.

Personally I agree with Linus basic critisism of GNOME, but not his conclusion. GNOME has always been the underdog and while they have gained a lot of recent corporate support (people always root for the underdog, right?), they very much still are among linux (power-)users and developers. Being the underdog puts a lot of presure on you, especially if you have fewer developers and therefore fewer resources. You just don't stand a chance catching up by following the leader, this has forced GNOME to go a different route than KDE.

Sure I hate everything that GNOME does different from KDE; because KDE is doing things the Unix/Linux way of empowering the user and taking pragmatic decisions, but GNOME has taken chances that KDE could not take: They have risked alienated parts of their users in order to make a distinct interface, that may or may not attract users that might not otherwise use Linux. This is good for the community as a whole!

The only really bad thing about GNOME is that a few of their developers (hello, monkey-boys!) have never let go of the "There can be only one"-attitude, and continue to attack and attempt to eliminate KDE, however futile that may be.

I can understand how the Ximians provoke a general hostile environment that would provoke some users to strike back at GNOME in general, but it is wrong: Yes, GNOME sucks, but please use it if it suits you!

Comments

Whether Linus really said that or not, I still think KDE could learn something from GNOME's drive for simplicity.

For example, a basic KDE installation (kdebase+kdelibs) doesn't include a simple notepad-type program, yet it does include a powerful source-code editor which has advanced syntax highlighting, find-in-files, multi-session support and an embedded terminal - Features which really aren't needed when you just want somewhere to jot down a few ideas or aggregate a few quotes from various websites.

(No offence intended to Kate developers - I use it heavily and wish it was available on Windows)


By robert knight at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 12:41

kedit? kwrite?


By superstoned at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 12:59

KJots?


By Ryan Nickell at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 14:44

Lol, there's a first - "KDE doesn't have enough editors".


By eean@drupal.org at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 18:06

> Yet it does include a powerful source-code editor which has advanced syntax highlighting, find-in-files, multi-session support and an embedded terminal - Features which really aren't needed when you just want somewhere to jot down a few ideas or aggregate a few quotes from various websites.

Well, there is something like KNotes or KEdit. ;-)
KEdit is for simple text files, KWrite/Kate is for programming. All three use the same base components, but present a different user-interface.

Yet, Kate does stuff more efficient then VIM. Try to search-replace text in a large file with syntax highlighting enabled. You'll beat VIM et al. Plus, other tools can build upon this editor, avoiding duplicate work. The inclusion of an embedded terminal isn't really fair. These are all separate parts, small components that integrate really well.


By vdboor at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 22:57

Let kde-apps speak:
"KWrite is a simple texteditor, with syntaxhighlighting, codefolding, dynamic word wrap and more, it's the lightweight version of Kate, providing more speed for minor tasks. It ships per default with KDEBASE package."

I don't know if you're using Kubuntu (which has KWrite stripped out of the standard installation) or some other distro crippled like that, but yes, KDE does indeed include a simple notepad-type program by default.


By jakob petsovits at Wed, 12/14/2005 - 23:03

The "there can be only one" comment hits the nail on the head. Few GNOME developers have this attitude, but enough of their celebrity leadership does that it taints the reputation of the entire project. GNOME has been infected with a Redmond-like attitude that is not at all healthy.


By David Johnson at Tue, 12/13/2005 - 18:05

That is just a GNOME troll. You see exactly the same story everywhere (check osnews.com or slashdot.org stories). In the image that he posts one of the apps is one that he developed himself.


By bkor at Wed, 12/14/2005 - 00:31

Oh boy. The text looked carefully written, with sane analysis in mind (no myths) and so on... :)


By Jarosław Staniek at Wed, 12/14/2005 - 09:51

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