MAY
27
2005

Nat Friedman about Desktop Developers

Just read an interview with Nat Friedman, carrying a 'Novell Vice President' title, in German c't magazine 12/05 (to be published on Monday). For your information, c't is a reputable computer technology magazine and not something like LUG Radio. In there he says about KDE and GNOME: "The only people who emphasize the differences are the developers, and I do not mean the ISVs (Independent Software Vendors), but the people who do not take showers. *laugh*"

Maybe he will have the chance at GUADEC in Stuttgart to see desktop developers take a shower, but then maybe not because he lives by oneself in a first class hotel room. Anyway, Novell really should choose their executives better.

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Novell's worst move EVER was acquiring Ximian. These guys are socially dysfunctional and they have NO business being in the position they are now.

And what's with the org chart over there? First they acquire SuSE, one of the biggest KDE development houses, and then they acquire Ximian and put them in charge of Linux desktop development? Where's the cohesion here?

One of the biggest problems in the Linux world is the fragmentation caused by people with an "I can do that better and I'm going to start a competing project" attitude. Combine that with a big mouth (as exhibited in Mr. Friedman's quote in the above article -- by the way, did you know he used to work for Microsoft?) and it makes matters worse.


By art cancro at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 09:47

> First they acquire SuSE, one of the biggest KDE development houses, and then they acquire Ximian

It happened the other way round.


By at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 11:59

and then they acquire Ximian and put them in charge of Linux desktop development?

They're not in charge of desktop development - they like to create that impression. With Novell, it's important to remember that no one is in charge of anything ;-).


By segedunum at Sat, 05/28/2005 - 09:44

"he says about KDE and GNOME:


By Werner Habel at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 12:20

I don't want to argue over the statement which you quoted but the generalized trait he uses to refer to the group he talks about.


By at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 12:39

The only people who emphasize the differences are the developers.

No thats not what he said. He said: "The only people who emphasize the differences are the developers who don't shower"..


By Richard Dale at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 19:11

He was joking, can't you stand a joke?

And when he mentions the developers he was talking of all developers in the projects including GNOME developers and I don't see any of them whining.

cool down, please.


By rams at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 13:38

> including GNOME developers and I don’t see any of them whining.

just WTF does this have to do with anything?

newsflash: people are individuals.

personally, i could care less about what Nat said. it doesn't bother me. it bugged Binner. he's a grown man, he's entitled to his opinion. whether or not the whole of Bulgaria did or didn't find it offensive is immaterial.

i'm sick and tired of people such as yourself pointing your finger at other people and calling them "whiners" or "cry babies" (or in this case a "cray" baby ;) ... the level of censorship and reactionary crap in the open source desktop communities is becoming onerous.

let people live so that you might do so as well.


By Aaron J. Seigo at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 15:54

If I understand you correctly, your view is that Nat should be allowed to say that Hackers smell, and that anyone can take offence, but it is their problem. Binner took offence ant ranted about in on his syndicated blog, and that is ok too, since it is his problem. In theory, I agree with you. One should be allowed to vent frustration whenever one wants, and not have to think about of censorship, political correctness and such issues. But in practice, that mode of operation doesn't work. Because rants get blown out of proportion and get posted on Slashdot and everybody has a nice, cozy flamewar. It's bad.

Therefor I think people should try to rant as little as possible on forums that are as public as syndicated blogs.


By liljencrantz at Fri, 05/27/2005 - 16:55

> Because rants get blown out of proportion and get posted on
> Slashdot and everybody has a nice, cozy flamewar

what aspect of "i don't smell, Nat! Signed, Binner." is a problem such that it will cause a flame war? you know, other than people such as Rams here or yourself earlier trying to make it into a GNOME vs KDE issue? i don't see the point in rewarding the exact sort of mentalities that actually cause the slashdot stupidities.

i totally agree that having spats in public isn't productive. i wholeheartedly agree that we shouldn't go around creating strife where we don't belong (a great example of that was Ben Goodger's blog entry re: khtml a few weeks back).

on the other hand, we don't need Correctness Police destroying the open nature of communication.

there has to be a ballance point here between being afraid of what we say being taken poorly and censoring ourselves into little corners.

i don't think that ballance been struck very well in this instance.


By Aaron J. Seigo at Sat, 05/28/2005 - 04:07

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