APR
13
2005

FD.O must DIE!!!!

By reading the xdg mailing list I came to this conclusion because it seem they are creating solution for imaginary problems.
And if they are doing this it's mean they have no purpose. And if we can be kind to Terri Schiavo we can be kind to them and unplug freedesktop.org so it can die in dignity ...

Comments

... have any rational reasons to back this up? if not you are just making those of us who have real problems look bad. there are legitimate problems, but mindless rambling wont fix them or address them.


By Ian Reinhart Geiser at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 04:20

I just state the feeling and the impression about the last few months on the mailing list. I know there problems in the world and they need to be fixed. But when I wrote that I was just pissed off at what they try to do and how they try to do it ... it's just that.


By Mathieu Chouinard at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 14:29

Lets not trivialize Terri's ordeal. In her case, there was no "right thing" to do.


By floyd at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 13:32

sorry if I offended you


By Mathieu Chouinard at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 14:26

I forgive you :)


By floyd at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 21:46

No one can deny that Freedesktop has some growing pains, but seriously, just because there's a speed bump people shouldn't give up on what is actually a fundamentally good idea. What would happen if people gave up in every organisation of people when there was a lot of smoke and mirrors and people appearing to push their own agendas, not for some alterior motives, but because no one actually understands what is being worked towards? That's the problem with Freedesktop.

Freedesktop and the people pushing it along need to have a long hard look at it, but it is nothing that can't be fixed.


By segedunum at Wed, 04/13/2005 - 18:02

FreeDesktop.org solves, or at least attempts to solve, real problems that users encounter with Linux as a desktop operating system. You may not encounter those problems for a variety of reasons: perhaps you strictly use KDE applications, or perhaps you aren't in charge of managing a large number of corporate workstations spread out over the country. The latter is probably true for a lot of people. So yes, FreeDesktop.org may not be solving problems that you have, but that doesn't make these problems imaginary. For a lot of people that use Linux on their desktop or laptop it is a great mystery why some url's such as audiocd:/ only work in half of their applications, why only half of their applications change their font when they change their settings in the control center and why it is still possible to print from the word processor after having disabled printing in KDE's KIOSK Admin Tool.


By Waldo Bastian at Thu, 04/14/2005 - 12:06

Well, with respect those are issues that one would find in the NLD more than anything else ;). Honestly, I think you need to be careful on that one. To be brutally honest, the vast majority of people managing a large number of corporate workstations in the world today are running Windows and they simply don't have those issues. That's the way it is, unfortunately, and that's what any Linux/Unix desktop has to provide, without waiting ten years or so to get anything universally accepted if at all.

What you're describing is the creation of standards and ways of doing things that aren't necessarily new in concept, but are to basically merge Gnome and KDE. That's essentially what you're describing. Of course that benefits Novell with where they are and what they're using at the moment, but whether it actually benefits KDE, or even Gnome, with better technology is open to question. Many applications, especially on the desktop, are just plain too diverse technologically and it is pretty impossible to think that standards are going to be created for just about everything and that open source developers, or worse, ISVs are going to adhere to them. Even worse, it doesn't get anyone any further forward. It's like fitting a square peg in a round hole, or fitting a square peg in a hole that is almost square. Unix has been there and got the T-shirt. I don't think that's where Freedesktop's focus should be primarily, but on making components work together well from top to bottom throughout an entire OS system that can be practically done starting today. The hardware work is one such area, as well as the work with X/fonts etc. Perhaps many people just don't see Freedesktop as the KDE/Gnome merger that you and others seem to, but won't actually admit to directly for various reasons. Focus on what simple collaboration Freedsktop can reasonably bring today.

Kiosk certainly disables printing in the KWord word processor when I last tried it, and if you're talking about Open Office then it's a matter of making your Open Office support Kiosk. I certainly don't see how creating umpteen standards on Freedesktop helps anyone there.

I think the problem is that people want know what Freedesktop is for, and what people like you want it to be, rather than a lot of smoke and mirrors. It's just creating a lot of confusion and mistrust I think.


By segedunum at Thu, 04/14/2005 - 23:55