the flaw

All this reasoning about porting kde to windows will bring more people to kde linux is flawed. Granted it might bring some of them into linux or any unix for that matter but those are only those who like to experiment with new toys.The great majority of people doesn't like change in their life and believe me here when i say the keyword here is change For those who believe that they will change to linux because they have the applications on windows I ask you this: Did ever see what happens in an office when you change the wordprocessor from wordperfect 6 to ms office, or even something simplier than that Windows 95 to 98 to 2000? Users are lost! and some of them are even moronic enought to ask to have a course paid to help them use the new version of windows even if they use it for years, simply because it not the same version number, so they forget everything they know.

We should also not forget that for us, linux/kde or computer in general are our reason to live (i know we should also get a life outside ... ) but for 99% of the population computer are a tool, a frightening tool at that. So that great majority of them won't change to linux because they have used the apps on windows, it's kind of like some Quebec independance advocate who told me in the last referendum (and he seriously believed it): "If we are independant tomorrow, the B.S. (people of public welfare) will get their pride back and help us to make the Quebec a strong and viable country" (that was a translation of course because all the english he knew is yes/no/toaster) And if you strongly believe that ... well you're like some politcal sciences phd people I know ... you're seriously disconnected from reality. and I'm really feeling sad for you.

On this I wish you all a nice day.


The great majority of people doesn’t like change in their life

I agree. I agree whole heartedly. With most of your statements. But not all the conclusions.

Because this one premise alone doesnt control the going round of the globe. Otherwise no change would happen at all. No Computers would have conquered corporate workplaces everywhere by now. (Rembember 20 years ago?) No Netscape would have risen to a size to threaten Microsoft's monopoly and no Internet Explore would have been pumped up by all the money there was to de-throne Navigator again. No Mozilla would have been open-sourced, and no Firefox would today be on the rise. No Linux-Kernel would be giving Apache the chance to carry the weigh of two thirds of the Internet. No KDE would exist.

So clearly, there must also be some forces at work that drive "change"?

Now, do you agree here, chouimat?


By Kurt Pf. at Thu, 12/09/2004 - 20:50

FireFox is on the rise because of security flaws in MS IE combined with how featureless it is relative to the state of the art in web browsing. there is a reason there for people to switch to FireFox. they aren't switching because they can or because they are curious. there's a motivation. (ditto for Linux+Apache, btw.)

but FireFox has now erased a huge reason for people to leave Windows. and so they stay on Windows, which is the most expensive part to leave behind. leaving a web browser? relatively cheap. leaving an OS and desktop environment? much more expensive.

so, let's pretend i'm an actor and you're the director in a movie. i'm playing the part of a FireFox user on Windows. "Mr Director, what's my motivation for moving to desktop Linux?"

again, if desktop Free Software was viable on Windows, i'd be cheering along with you. but it isn't. that's the danger.

By Aaron J. Seigo at Thu, 12/09/2004 - 21:53

not quite. I agree that change happens in the world and it's good. But people need a reason to make those changes. If we take one kde application and port it to windows then we give windows another "features" against linux or any other OS. Some people are asking for a kdevelop port to windows because MS VS is a huge piece of monkeyshit. But in this case it's not the right approach instead of porting kdevelop to windows why not make kdevelop a windows development tool on linux, by using mingw cross-compiler qt windows (I know you will need a commercial license and it's allready done), wxwidgets or even trying to find some adventurous (masochistic) soul to make MFC work with wine ... that the aproach you want make people use linux more than win32 so I think we should all help the wine project that will serve us better in the long run than porting to win32

By Mathieu Chouinard at Fri, 12/10/2004 - 00:19

Hmm.. hmm...

I dont fully grasp your line of argumentation, chouimat.

First you seem to oppose "porting kde to windows" because it will not "bring more people to kde linux". At least you dismiss any considerations into that direction as "flawed".

Next you propose it as a good idea to make kdevelop a "development tools for windows". What is that supposed to get us? Certainly no Windows user coming to KDE/Linux. After all, he gets his Windows app built by some developer on Linux (he doesnt even care about the fact it was built on Linux).

Maybe you could gain a few ex-Windows developers to use that tool, to make more Windows users happy.

I certainly cant see this as a teaser to make desktop migrations easier to organize.

By Kurt Pf. at Fri, 12/10/2004 - 11:29

I think something was lost in the translation from french to english than english to german :) what i'm saying is getting all those windows apps running is far more important than porting kde apps to windows. and the kdevelop part is simply a way to show that if we make kdevelop support windows development, it's true in the short term we will make windows user happy but with more developer enjoying the superiority of our development tools we will end up with more user in the long run. ok i know some will say that this argument is as flawed as the let's port kde to windows apps, but hey a guy can have some moment of irrationality ....

By Mathieu Chouinard at Fri, 12/10/2004 - 16:10